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Obama To Propose Revenue Increases To Fight Deficit


It's MORNING EDITION from NPR News. Good morning, I'm Steve Inskeep.


NPR White House correspondent Scott Horsley joins us on the line with more. Hey, Scott.

SCOTT HORSLEY: Good to be with you, David.

GREENE: So $1.2 trillion in deficit reduction, and that's the minimum target for this committee. How big is the president likely to go this morning?

HORSLEY: But this is also about economics. The $1.2 trillion that the supercommittee has to find just doesn't really begin to address the nation's deficit problem. Standard Poor's said earlier this summer that you need at least 4 trillion in deficit reduction. That's what most of the bipartisan groups have also come up with, and so that's where the president is headed.

GREENE: Well, as the president addresses this problem, the White House is saying that his vision is going to be balanced. What does that mean? I mean, is that a code for tax increases?

HORSLEY: It's an article of faith with the GOP that higher tax revenue kills jobs. And I say article of faith because the evidence from the 1990s is that you can actually have very robust job growth with higher tax rates than we have right now right now.

GREENE: You mentioned higher taxes on the wealthy. And we heard over the weekend about one of the president's proposals, a higher tax on the really wealthy. He's actually naming it for billionaire investor Warren Buffett - the Buffett Rule. What is that, exactly?

HORSLEY: Yeah. Well, Warren Buffett made waves a few weeks ago when he said that Congress should stop coddling billionaires like him, and...

GREENE: Tax me more. Tax me more.

HORSLEY: Exactly. And he's complained before that he pays a lower tax rate, for example, than his secretary. Now, a lot of Warren Buffett's income comes in the form of dividends and capital gains, which we do tax at a lower rate than ordinary income. And so the president will call for changing that, at least when it comes to upper-income households.

GREENE: Well...

HORSLEY: And this makes for a sort of interesting debate about, you know, whether we should tax earnings on money at a different rate than we tax earnings on labor. But I have to say, David, this is a little bit like the corporate jet tax - it's sort of a populist window dressing. The fact of the matter is, there are just aren't enough Warren Buffetts out there to make a huge difference...

GREENE: To make a big difference. Well, wasn't there, a few months ago, talk of this grand bargain that would include both increased tax revenue but also significant savings on entitlement programs, like Medicare? I mean, what are the chances for such a grand bargain now?

HORSLEY: Last week, we had some 36 senators come out and show support for something like a grand bargain. But of course, it takes more than that to pass anything. If the left digs in and says you can't touch Medicare, if the right digs in and says you can't raise taxes - well, then we're not going to get that kind of grand bargain. And it's going to be a very long and unproductive 14 months until the next election.

GREENE: That's NPR's White House correspondent Scott Horsley. Thank you, Scott.

HORSLEY: My pleasure. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.

David Greene is an award-winning journalist and New York Times best-selling author. He is a host of NPR's Morning Edition, the most listened-to radio news program in the United States, and also of NPR's popular morning news podcast, Up First.
Scott Horsley is NPR's Chief Economics Correspondent. He reports on ups and downs in the national economy as well as fault lines between booming and busting communities.